Life in the Dark Bee Yard: A Halloween Encore (307)

0:00 Hey listeners, it's Jim here. Must be time for another episode. I've come up with a with an idea that the producer Jeff Ott agreed with Several years ago we did a Halloween special, and it's Halloween now, and I'm in a Halloween frame of mind. So we're kind of taking a look back at that episode, and I hope you enjoy re-listening to it. Jeff. Yeah Jim? Jeff. Yeah. Are you the are you there? Yeah, but where are we? This was your idea. Well I you're the one who said let's do a show on Halloween. Halloween night from our bee yard at midnight.

0:41 Now you're wanting to back out. But this is the first time you've listened to an idea of mine. Why did you choose this one? This I won't listen to another one. Well this is really this is scary, Jim. I know it. I told you in the setup that one of the spookiest places in beekeeping for me has been in my bee yard after midnight. The bees are asleep, but everything else is awake here. Listen. What? I don't know. There's raccoons out here and there's coyotes, but the coyotes wouldn't come close would they? Uh I don't know. If I hope it was just a coyote. Yeah, there is wolves here, aren't there?

1:21 Not in Ohio. Oh well then are there wolves where you were? This is not all right. This is this really isn't very funny. Alright, and up plus my screen is dark out here. It's giving off light in the bee yard. Hey, I'm Jim Tew. And I'm Jeff Ott from Beekeeping Today Podcast. And we are trying something that we will probably never try again. A presentation for you. Enter a bee yard after midnight on Halloween night. What an event. Welcome to Honey the Obscura, brought to you by Growing Planet Media, the producers of the Beekeeping Today podcast.

2:06 Join Jim Tew, your guide through the complexities, the beauty, the fun, and the challenges of managing honey bees. Jim hosts fun and interesting guests who take a deep dive into the intricate world of honey bees. Whether you're a seasoned beekeeper or just getting started, get ready for some plain talk that'll delve into all things honey bees. Jeff? Yeah, Jeff. Tell me while we're sitting here. Several thousand miles apart, but under similar situations. Anything ever happened to you that uh that you would call spooky or surreal in your beeyard Or in your bee life?

2:47 No, I have to say not. I mean, I've been scared of what I've found inside a colony once I've popped the lid. Or sometimes what I haven't found when I popped a lid, but no. What about yourself? I've had some instances that had never had any use. Did you hear that bird? I guess it's a bird. Can you hear that on can you hear that on your end? It was kind of screechy. Alright, never mind. Alright. Never mind. Alright. I've forgotten where I was. Uh I do have several things. Yeah. A couple of things.

3:28 I've never had a use for them in any presentation. And so since this is this is a unique situation, here goes one of them. All right. When I was working for Ohio State, we used an abandoned clean, well, we cleaned, steam cleaned. Swine facility. It was a long, low building, and above it was an attic. A loft. Oh no. Where they where they would put bedding and then they would open trapdoors and drop bedding down into the stalls below. Oh it's well it took us weeks to clean it to steam clean it but we got it cleaned it always had a f old pig barn ambience about it though in the older area and up top No electricity up there.

4:23 You had to have a flashlight when you got up there. It's where we stored a lot of our equipment. And you know, you know what beekeeping equipment looks like. I mean, even in the bright light of day, you know what it looks like. So imagine that same old unloved Never going to be used again, but too good to throw away equipment in the dark in that attic. I got all the way to the end of the building With flashlight. And you know how the light is? It's always on those spooky shows, you know, where the light just lights up a small part of your life. And all the shadows come to life.

5:04 Yes. And that's important because when the far end of the building, I was very near it now, was an odd shadow being thrown against the end wall, and I couldn't make out what it was. It looked like a huge cushion. And I kept moving closer, and I just can't I just can't make it out, Jeff. I don't know what this is. And the floor is squeaking underneath, and the air smells like it used to be a pig barn, and there's heavy dust everywhere. And suddenly as I got right up right up four feet from this cushion thing, I realized it was a fully grown raccoon looking at me straight.

5:52 And it had puffed itself up. You know how can animals can do that to make itself as big as possible. And the animal had nowhere to go. He was backed into a corner, and I was shining a light in its face about five feet. I don't want to tell you what I said. And I don't want to tell you how long it took me to turn around and to give the raccoon the whole loft of that barn and get out of there. Why was I even up there? Because you always need to. a bottom board or something. The raccoon won that one that night. Oh my gosh. And when I got back down to the lower level, I made the conscientious decision to do two things.

6:32 Get a better flashlight or never go up there ever again. It's kinda like that commercial where the one character says to the other, You ever notice on in horror films how the characters always make poor decisions? Why did you go up there in the first place in the dark with a single flashlight? I was just gonna be going six minutes and I was just gonna get whatever it was. This happened thirty five, forty years ago. I was gonna be right back down. You were using a real nice flashlight? No, I ha I had a I had the classic flashlight. You're talking about why was I out there anyway? Why do people always have flashlights that are defective? That's right.

7:13 Why do flashlights always need bumping? And that just kills me. Don't bump the light. That's just going to break the filament and those old flashlights. Stop banging the light around to make it work. So that that swine facility Was on the abandoned campus of what was at one time a large hospital. Actually, I want to be very careful here, Jeff, and I don't want to offend anybody. Hospital. And Ohio had long since changed its protocol and its treatment mechanisms, and that facility was just abandoned and it had a farm that went with it and all these outbuildings.

7:57 When those long, long time ago facility from the turn of the nineteen hundreds. And and uh it was given over to Ohio State to use for storage and to plow the f till the land for teaching and growing crops and whatever. But there those old buildings were sitting everywhere. And yes, they looked just like you think they would. It was gonna cost millions of dollars to tear them down, so just let them sit there. This is the second story. On the several thousand-acre farm That went with that, of course, we had bees. And and I need to put a spoiler alert out that this story really has no ending.

8:39 You had to feel what I felt. Working alone. Why would I be working alone, Jeff? Well, let me give you a bee lecture. You can't find anybody to help you. You've got no friends. Nobody wants to go out at midnight and work these bees. So I had no one out there. I was there alone and I was doing something in preparation for moving bees to apple pollination, closing them down and strapping them up and being ready to go early the next morning. And I was working and whistling and I had, you know, I theoretically Had that same useless flashlight. If it wasn't that one, it was one just like it.

9:20 So you got to point the light directly at the hive, directly at what you're doing. The bees want no part of this, so every chance they get, they're up against the light. Light. You know the drill when you're working bees and being out there at night. And I was just getting things done You know, as an aside, y you need a smoker that has fluorescent paint on it because if you lay it down, then you've got to shine that little flash of light directly on the smoker to find it again. And heaven forbid that you lay down your hive tool. I mean the hive tool is just gone. I mean, you probably won't even find it the next day That's my situation.

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11:24 healthier colonies. And then a feeling came over me. I die, I'm not making this up. Okay. And I'm not normally a I'm not a brave guy, but I'm not a skittish guy either. I just had this this this bizarre sense that I wasn't alone at the edge of that forest bordering on that apple orchard. And so you keep working, you know, like you're whistling when you're walking past a cemetery. I kept working and that nagging feeling kept growing and I had fifteen, twenty more colonies to to get ready.

12:10 I took that light and you shine it along the tree line. Well that just makes everything worse, Jeff. Don't ever do that. If you're spooked a little bit already, don't be shining that light off axis. It is not going to help. They put the weak beam out there and just made everything look sinister. I mean, how can an apple tree a few yards away look like some kind of demon? Well it does. You stand there at midnight with the feeling that something's watching you and you. you shine a light on that apple tree and it takes on a whole different persona. I tried to keep working and I'm gonna f really feel like a a a weak guy here, but at some point I just broke.

12:51 I thought I'm not doing this anymore. I'm not doing this anymore. And I I left the scene. I left the smoker. I had kept my hive to. And this is what was funny, the dew had fallen. And when I got in my truck, it's just a two-wheel drive. It began to slip on the grass. And it wouldn't get out of there. So then I'm in my truck. I'm trying to run away from something unknown in the dark. And my rear tires are slipping on the dew-covered grass. You know, you rock it back and forth. We all know how to do it. I had the truck to move and I left everything. I left the colony open. Open? I don't want to admit this, but I think the smoker was going.

13:32 It probably gone out. I don't want to say I left a lighted smoker there. Dew had fallen anyway, there wasn't a fire hazard. And I'm gone. I spooked myself and the next day I went out fully expecting to find blood and guts and dead whatever and it was nothing. There was never anything. I just got it in my mind that I'm on the campus. of that abandoned facility and all the old stories about those kind of facilities must have haunted me. And I was overcome with silliness and I left it. Well let me ask you though, how how do you know the rear tires of your truck was just slipping on the dew?

14:17 How do you know that the back of your truck wasn't being held by whatever? Oh. Now that's a path I had never taken. I saw myself being silly, but I saw myself in control. You're saying that I wasn't even in control at all. Well , there's people who have not turned us off on Already. You had to be there. I mean, you've just got to be in a bee yard at midnight by yourself on the distant campus of an abandoned facility. Uh, you've got to be there with a little dim flashlight, trying to convince yourself that everything I would've been uh I would have been looking for footprints behind the truck bes that weren't mine.

15:01 You know what you know what the one feature of all of my memories are about these all my stars, you don't want to be there? It was in a bee yard after dark. I've just realized that when I was telling you these that that was the situation, that it was in a bee yard after dark. Yeah. Even now, when I walk out to my yard right here behind my house, to go back there. at night and the bees are all clustered out front and they're humming and the light hits them and the light hits them. Just a package, you know, just a pile of junk equipment takes on a totally different look than it does like a pile of junk equipment during the day. When I was in the South, South Alabama, North Florida, we used to move bees to watermelons for watermelon pollination.

15:51 And I want to tell you straight up that when we did that job, we wore gloves and protective clothing, primarily for the potential rattlesnake bite. That never happened. I did see rattlesnakes in my yard one time. But I never I never had a f a snake come for me or one beat under the colony when I picked it up, but I had you always assume But it could happen. So rattlesnakes were the reason I wore gloves. The second reason I wore gloves was because of the extraordinary population of Black Widow spiders that was there. Every beehive underneath the cement blocks they were on had a Blackwood spider or two, which is a fitting animal for my Halloween story motif here So the third reason you wore gloves was to protect yourself from bee stings.

16:46 Yeah. I always thought that was comical, that I wasn't wearing gloves. to protect myself from bee stings. I was worried about snake and spider bites. So that was the attitude. That was the atmosphere. That was the air. in those southern yards all that long ago, and this is not my story. But it's my brother's story, and I will shamelessly tell it and if anybody knows my middle brother, I guess I won't give his name. Then you accost him and tell him that his truth is known. He had a friend helping him move these bees to watermelons. That part is exactly correct. And it was a big flatbed truck and it was too high.

17:31 And if beekeepers have ever done it, you you know the drill. You pick up two deeps in a super. It's a big colony because watermelon Producers want big fine bee colonies. They don't want these small colonies sitting around. So you'd pick up those two deeps and probably a super, strapped up and you hit for that truck and you heave it up. And you would always be low about three to four inches. And then to pick up the extra three to four inches, you had to reach inside your soul. And take about 30 to 40 seconds off the top end of your life and use strength you really didn't have to get that hive up on the truck.

18:12 It was that high. It was that much work But at the time my brother was a youngish man. He had a youngish friend helping him. It was dark. They had the concerns that I've already described to you. It's dark out here. It's a hot night. We know animals are out here. We know it. We know it. As they were under a dead strain lift right there, when they are at their absolute peak, maxed out My brother's phone attached to his belt, set to vibrate, went off. And under a dead sweat left with that phone vibrating on his belt, my brother thought they had just picked up a rattlesnake and in the dark It had dropped off and was stuck on his belt.

19:07 Could this get any worse? Oh yeah, it gets worse because The snake kept striking him because about every ten seconds it would strike again. You know, as the phone was going through its cycle of vibrating. Yeah. Jeff, what's the worst thing? What is the worst th Thing you can say right at that moment, in the dark, with what you think is a rattlesnake stuck on your belt. What is the worst thing you can say? Nothing I can repeat right now. He said Snake! Well do you know the reaction that has on your work partner?

19:47 That guy was gone. That colony crashed to the ground, broke all to pieces, flashlights everywhere. My brother thinking he had a snake stuck on his belt It was a chaotic scene. Later in life he became a minister. And I know what I would say if I thought I had a snake stuck on my belt. What did you say? He told me he couldn't repeat it, that was in the early years of his career, and that he was still new at being a minister. He was okay. You got the whole thing. All of these memories, they're all kind of goofy, none of them are truly serious, but it is It's a a different world.

20:28 Your bee yard is a completely different world at 2 30 in the morning from anything you've ever seen. And you're probably not out there very often unless you're doing pollination work and getting bees better. go or bringing bees back from pollination or moving a yard or whatever. It is a side of the bee yard that you never see. And here on Halloween it just seemed like a decent time to use these stories that never have a chance to be used otherwise. And never serve any purpose. We could call this episode Life in the Dark Yard. On Halloween. On Halloween. Well, Jim, I really appreciate you inviting me to the show this week, sitting out here in the dark.

21:12 the honey bee obscure bee yard. It's uh it's a scary place. It's only scary if you let yourself be scared. So you have to be in the mood for it. It is. It's a it's a weird place. I'm not gonna do this again. Probably not even next Halloween, but I didn't mind doing it this time. I had a good time. But I am going in and go to bed now. I'm I'm done with this and I'll lie there thinking about my poor bees back there in this in that spooky yard. Yeah, and I'm gonna go back and and Just just double check myself next time you call me and ask me if I want to meet you in the bee yard at night. You started it. Hey listeners, I want you to know he started it.

21:53 I just agreed to do it and I said it out. Anyway, good time. Jeff. Let me bump my flashlight and get it back on and I'll find my way to the house now. Thanks, Laddie. Good night. Happy Halloween, Jim. Good night. Good night.