A Novice Teaches Beekeeping (285)

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Hey, good morning, podcast listeners.

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It's Jim here again, so it must be Thursday morning.

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This is a treat.

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I got my grandson here with me, who's

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boy, well, a novice beekeeper.

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That'd be putting it

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nicely

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for me, .

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I'm still young.

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It's gonna be back though, still still dealing with struggles, but

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.

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Still dealing with struggles.

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Well, that's just life.

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Yep.

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But there's always gonna be ups and downs of beekeeping.

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And

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so, I am just excited that I've gotten the experience early.

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You know, last episode that I was on, we'd talked about one of my second colonies struggling with potentially American Foulbrood

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and

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things of that nature just

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Really detrimental you

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to your colonies and also to your psyche in a sense

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because your colonies keep dying.

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Like is it your fault?

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What

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whatever, but

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I wanna talk about that.

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I want to talk about that.

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Listen, we're gonna talk about all of this.

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We're gonna catch you up.

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I'm Jim Tew.

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I come to you here at Honey

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where I try to talk about something to do

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with plain talk beekeeping.

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I'm Will Ditka and it's good to be back.

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Will that you bring up a good point.

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I I was panicked

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all those months ago.

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It was

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back before Thanksgiving, wasn't it?

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Yeah

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It was a really

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peculiar looking situation and I

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thought it might be American Foul

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brood.

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That just did not seem to make sense.

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And after I thought about it and looked at it again

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It seemed to pretty much be a a mild var

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varroa

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bomb, where they had a heavy varroa mite load, but it wasn't enough to kill them right away.

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Of course I think they died during the winter.

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So

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Well, it that's just beekeeping.

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It starts over again.

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What was sh what was your take on it?

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I'm always glad it happened in a sense.

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Obviously not for the bees, but I think for the experience to be able to see

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such a confusing hive in a sense

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to where you we thought it was potentially American Foulbrood, but even you

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with all your experience had to take a second look at it.

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So I think the ability to be able just to watch

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you

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were

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just to

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soak in the all this information and the experiences I think

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is

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much more important to me now than anything else.

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So I guess I'm just really looking at it as a building experience because I've

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I'm still so young into the beekeeping experience that I I really think

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It's something beneficial that will be helpful to me down the line and I'm sure I'll encounter a situation similar to it at some point and I'll be better prepared for it because of this.

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So

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I guess

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I always just try and think of it with glass half full and not glass half empty.

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Try always try and take the the good side of things.

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Alright.

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Well

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so far so good, but it

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's a good idea.

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That was an

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experience.

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Well, that was not that wasn't easy going.

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I'm sorry we got off on a difficult foot

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right away, but

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It is beekeeping.

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So I guess I'll just talk a little bit about me

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since the last episode.

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I

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I decided to change my major

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and

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I transferred schools just at community college because

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here in the state of Michigan, community college is completely free.

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So

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might as well, right?

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Yep.

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It saves a lot of money.

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Do you have any interest in in biology?

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Have you taken a bee

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class or bee

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bee biology or anything along that line or is this still

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too soon?

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it's still too soon, but ironically

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bee

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snuck my way into

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a communication class and I actually wrote a speech.

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and presented that about bees.

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Just talked about various things, just an overview.

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I brought you up multiple times in it.

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Because it

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you you were supposed to use references and I feel like you're the ultimate reference for the field of beekeeping.

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So yeah, just talked about that and I talked about just some dangers of beekeeping just because a lot of people are just unaware of the Varroa

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issues and whatnot and

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how s how scary the future of bees

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looks,

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especially with how big their impact is on our planet and just things like that.

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Just kept it very general

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because

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Honestly, like I'm pretty general in my knowledge as well,

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still young.

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So I can't get too deep into it just because I'm I'm still trying to learn

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figure it out myself.

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But

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things like that, just being able to

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include

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beekeeping in a communications class.

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It's just something you would never expect.

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Just a s

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two

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combinations of things.

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But

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I feel like that's almost a good thing.

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Like this beekeeping ha is able to be applied so far outside of beekeeping, I'm able to use it in a beneficial way.

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How long was the f

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how long was the presentation?

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So it was supposed to be four to six minutes, and I talked for a solid seven minutes and fifteen

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seconds.

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Four to six minutes, and you talk seven minutes and sixteen seconds.

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Was there a penalty for that?

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Yeah, but it was only ten

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points.

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And

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I feel like I was and

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there was only ten

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points I got off.

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So I was thorough enough

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that, I didn't get anything else off.

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So I guess

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Better too long than too short, I guess.

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Well off

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just quickly I want to get off the subject and then get rubb back on it.

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But I remember my first talk that I gave as a graduate student at the University of Maryland.

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I had all these notes worked out.

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It was pre-PowerPoint.

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We used photographic slides.

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And so I was deep into it.

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And I

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began to get the notice from my professor that my time was up.

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Well, I was hardly halfway through.

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It'd be like s sitting down with half a sandwich

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made.

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So I kept going

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because I thought I had to keep going.

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You can't leave the audience wanting more.

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Well, if yes

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you can, because there's speakers coming up behind that I'm

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Trashing the schedule, so

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I finally stopped after I went seriously over.

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And I've got a verbal reprimand, so my first talk was two

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times too much talk

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Well you beat me.

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It's interesting that you went over.

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I went over fifteen, twenty minutes or so.

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It it really threw things off.

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Going over by fifteen minutes.

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How how long

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you said it was four to six minutes.

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How many people were in your audience

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It was just my small class.

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I think there were about eighteen to twenty of us in there.

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I'm not sure how many were present that day, but probably somewhere around that route.

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Did they go

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did they go glassy-eyed while you were doing this?

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I sure hope not.

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I I tried my best to keep it funny.

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I tried to write some jokes in there, just to try and keep people engaged.

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I tried to

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I used the PowerPoint to my advantage.

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I tried to make it as interesting as possible.

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That way they're looking at something.

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You know what I mean?

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They're not just glassy eyed, like you said.

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So

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I really hope they enjoyed it.

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It seemed like they did, because I was the only speaker that got follow-up

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questions.

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So

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I

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I'll take that as a good sign.

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What were some of your major points?

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like I said, just the dangers of beekeeping.

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And then I just talked about

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what

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what are what's dangerous about beekeeping?

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just like we had touched on, like the Varroa

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American Foulbrood, like yeah.

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and then another main point I just talked about was very basic beekeeping equipment, just veils, smokers, boxes, the

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Deeps versus supers, whatever, eight frames, ten

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frames, just those kinds of things.

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And

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I mean it was really surface level just because

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It's not like I was giving it in a

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like a biology course or

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something like that where they were well

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versed in insects or bees in general.

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So I really just kept it surface level.

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I'm sure a lot of the things I talked about

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w

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a lot of people already knew, but

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Just kept it simple, broad, and just tried to include as much as I could in a basic sense, just because I did only have that four to six minutes, so I couldn't really go fifteen minutes over like you did.

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Yep.

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It's a lot to pack in to just a few minutes.

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I had to keep it pretty surface level.

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What were some of the other talk titles?

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What was your competition

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Some someone was a history professor, someone was an electrician.

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Like it was like this profession thing, and I just talked about entomology.

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So a lot of them were really boring, like

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people

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talking about electrician work in specific, that's not a a very

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gravitating speech.

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So

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I definitely think that my

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approach

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and trying to keep it fun and creative and the bees in general, I think, are interesting enough

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That it was able to keep it interesting.

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Because I have lit myself up several times by not knowing how to wire as a

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shock

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person.

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But I I didn't realize it was occupationally driven.

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It's a clever thing.

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And your professor had

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positive comments, positive responses.

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Yeah, nothing but good things to say.

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I also talked about just

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sorts

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of the forms of communication of these.

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Yep.

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Just because that's I mean, still even to us now, we still really are not fully aware of everything.

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But just talked about very basic again, like the pheromones, h like how large the radius of the colonies

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search.

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Just very basic

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facts.

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Hold

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hold that hold that thought for just a minute.

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You were talking about pheromones.

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Go back to that and pick that up again.

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So

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I feel like I'm not well versed enough to be talking about pheromone communication on a beekeeping podcast, but

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I I talked about keeping it funny, so I guess I'll just touch on this example.

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So I just

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as I'm walking around and giving my speech, I'm using pheromones and I just like

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pretend I'm a bee

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and I

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fart at somebody.

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Oh god.

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Just as a joke.

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You know what I mean?

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So I like that was

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and then there were a couple things throughout this speech and that's what I'm talking about.

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Just trying to keep it light and fun.

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But just things like that, just

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a very basic sense because the communication of bees is so drastically different than the way we would communicate.

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Like they're not just sitting there chatting hump

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having conversations.

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And I also touched on the things like the little whittle

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dances they do and washboarding as well.

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They're such interesting little creatures and there's just the hive

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mind

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is such an interesting concept.

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The hive mind

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is an interesting concept

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that is

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a

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super

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organism, essentially.

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Everybody doing what's best for them apparently and it ends up being beneficial to the whole unit.

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So it went well.

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I'm glad it went well for you.

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You have anything else planned like this, but nothing else has come up that's opportunistic so far, I guess.

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Yeah, I mean

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that's what's nice though, I can always keep it in my back pocket.

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It's

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something I'm well versed in compared to the average person.

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So it's something interesting and somewhat unique about me, especially at my age in particular.

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So I r I I

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I really enjoy it.

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I

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earlier we were talking about my struggles with being an early beekeeper

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and I just

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I guess I have a question for you.

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I just want to compare

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my early beekeeping versus your early beekeeping and how much things have changed and what

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Well, you

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you

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m mentioned early on that

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not

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in the podcast, but

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we were talking that beekeeping was an expensive hobby and that

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and

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that's unfortunately true in many cases, but that that's one of the things that's changed.

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There was a type of apiculture

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When I was just starting this at 21 and 22 years old, there was just box

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hive beekeepers.

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And I'm

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late in my life, I'm really intrigued by that

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because I transitioned

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At a time when beekeepers were moving from box hives to Langstruth equipment.

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So if you wanted to keep bees, you'd just tie

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four boards together, thirty-six inches high or so, and put an

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X

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brace in the middle and put a

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Top and a bottom on it, and a few slips in the bottom, and you picked up swarms

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because they were everywhere in the spring

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before Varroa

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and

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Africanized V's and boom

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You were a beekeeper.

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So you wore some old painter coveralls and you got some gardening gloves on

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and you

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probably had to buy a veil and a smoker, and that was it.

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And I have slowly watched as beekeeping became, has become

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more and more modern, cleaner, more professional, and

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more expensive.

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And I was part and parcel to tearing those old bee-boxes apart, and I made precious few pictures

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because

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to me

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they were junk.

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And I was helping the bees improve their lives.

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And in retrospect, the bees liked that box hive a lot better.

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They had a natural nest, and I made them live on straight cones.

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That was then, this is now.

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Do I want to go back to

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early beekeeping and homemade protective gear?

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No, I'm happy where I am.

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What was your beginning like?

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I feel like it's almost ingrained in the podcast at this point.

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Just those two hives.

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I lost that one early

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and then obviously the American Foulbrood, what we thought was, and then ended up being a varroa

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with that second hive.

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So I mean it's been a

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I guess a rough go of it, but not really.

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It's all been learning experiences, but I almost feel like it's

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especially

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as a young person nowadays, I I really

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feel like if I didn't have access to you and equipment, I wouldn't have ever been able to get into this, even if I really wanted to.

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I feel like you almost need to have

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your

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life set up, you need to have some income

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because this is

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it's

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it's really is expensive, especially if you're purchasing your own s

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queens

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or whatever.

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It can

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it can quickly get expensive.

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D especially depending on like

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what quality of equipment you want to use.

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Like if you could go s

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buy some big company equipment, I'm sure

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it's it gets more expensive.

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But I think that's the biggest

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notice for me is that it

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it's

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really feels like a

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a hobby in a sense

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where you really need to just like invest the money and the time into it and enjoy it.

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You can't really just throw a box together and go pick up a swarm

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anymore, I guess, in that sense.

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Like you really gotta commit hard to it 'cause it really is a big commitment now.

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Yeah, and

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it's you're going to take a spanking almost every time.

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You know, this

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you

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first two colonies out are gone.

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I thought

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I had three or four colonies die this one or so bees die

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all the time.

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Will I always enjoy

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talking with you.

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I'll check back in

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probably sometime later this summer

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and get another update

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And see what you're doing and how your

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life's going.

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You keep saying you're you're youth, you're young.

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How old are you?

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Nineteen.

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I'll be twenty

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the end of August.

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Torn

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at

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the end of August.

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That is

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young.

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So

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I got a beekeeper in

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training I named your session

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a novice teaches beekeeping

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so don't be offended when you see the cartoon work on that this

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in production

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right now.

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Listeners I always enjoy talking to you.

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Well

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tell them bye.

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Thanks for having me on again.

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I always appreciate it.

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Listeners

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I appreciate your support and

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I hope to see you guys again soon.

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Thanks a lot, Will.

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Until next week, this is Jim telling you bye.