A Beekeeper's Cookbook (305)

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Hey

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podcast listeners.

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Jim here again this week.

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And

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I

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got a friend with me.

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So

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for once it's not just me talking.

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Nona

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Hurst is here with me.

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Nona, say hi.

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Hi.

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This

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is Nona.

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You did a good job.

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I have been talking to Nona

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and her husband.

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Dr.

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Hurst is a beekeeper

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amongst a lot of other things, as is Nona.

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They have a very diversified life, but beekeeping is a major part of it.

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And some number of years ago, Nona

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began working on a cookbook.

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Today, beekeepers

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I want to talk to you about the successful production of that book and what a nice piece it is.

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Honey bee podcast listeners, I'm Jim Tew

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and I come to you about once a week

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where I try to talk about something to do with plain

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talk beef.

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Welcome to Honey

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Be Obscura, brought to you by Growing Planet Media, the producers of the Beekeeping Today

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podcast.

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Join Jim Tew, your guide through the complexities, the beauty of the

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The fun

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and the challenges of managing honey bees.

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Jim hosts fun and interesting guests who take a deep dive into the intricate world of honey bees.

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Whether you're a seasoned beekeeper

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or just getting started,

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Get ready for some plain talk that'll delve into all things honey bees.

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Nona, from the earliest time, how does one get the notion that they want to ride a

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cookbook

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or

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more than a cookbook, a diversified cookbook.

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Oddly enough, it was John

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Hurst

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that suggested years ago that I write this book.

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And

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I didn't think too much about it

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But

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we had recently started with the beekeeping, her

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humorous story of how it began

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with neither one of us ever having

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been

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around a beehive

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And

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one of the anesthesiologists I

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worked with, I was looking for

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something really unusual for John

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's birthday.

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Thirty-eighth birthday

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and we had moved to the country

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So

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he suggested that I get John

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two

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beeps.

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And I thought,

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well, I like that.

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That's unusual.

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Really

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unusual.

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His father was a beekeeper all his life

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So

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he set it up with his dad

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for

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John and I to go out there and pick up two

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beehives, which

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really

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kinda turned into a crazy story

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because

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we had a one and a half year old, we had

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a closed

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in Jeep

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wagoneer

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and now we know that you have to have a pickup truck.

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So

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we rode out there in the dark

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It was before Interstate 459

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was made.

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So we had to go back roads to Best

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North

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where he lived.

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And

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so we

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drive up in the dark to his beehive

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They went out together

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and came back with the first beehive and they put it in the back of the vehicle

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and

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they're heading back out for the second one.

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And

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I

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looked at it and thought

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Uh, you know, that really doesn't look straight.

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I'm gonna

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fix this straight because

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that's the way women are.

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Yeah, it's gotta be straight.

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It's gotta be straight.

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And so when I did

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the bottom board was rotten

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So

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all of a sudden

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all of those bees came

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rolling out

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my

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molasses

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up my arm

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and I didn't know what to do

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It's not like Matthew

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McConaughey in the movie where he just flicks

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his arm down and all the bees fall on the ground.

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No, I started flailing my arms and

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these

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of course

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they don't fly at night

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and

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that was

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a thing I learned

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early on.

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But anyway

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they come back up with his sack

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on, and Mr. Preston, old fella

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by this time

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said, Sister, you've done it now

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And

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he

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he was not happy.

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He said,

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First thing you're gonna do is get that baby out of the back seat there

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and you're gonna go stand over there by that tree

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So

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that's what happened.

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They cleaned up my

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B

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collision here going home in the car.

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Put the second hive

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in

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and they walked around the car

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while we drove home with as few lights

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So we made it home.

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But

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John

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already knew from a talk with him that we should have our

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cinder

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block

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set up.

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So

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That was the beginning

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and that's had

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to be forty-three years ago.

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I was going to ask how long ago it was, forty-three years ago.

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And it's so interesting to me that

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he has kept this hobby up

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all these years while carrying on a practice, but it seemed to be like a

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pacifying thing to him.

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To go out

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when he got home, check the bees, it became a regular habit.

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We had a lot of ups and downs through the years, but

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he always

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started again.

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Well, he's been doing it a long time.

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I didn't know that John's father was a beekeeper.

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Listen to the big thing.

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No,

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this

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was not his father.

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This was

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Dr

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President

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's

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Yes, it was his father.

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Yeah.

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This

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is

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I was about to tell you John's obviously a physician.

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He's retired.

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But he says he's known now more for his bees

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than he was for being a physician.

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He said that.

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Yes, that's right.

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So what was your role?

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You took his honey to the hospital

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and you had customers there.

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I worked uh

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at that time I was working

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a

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same day surgery.

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and people

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began to ask me to bring

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okay, would you bring me ten?

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It

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got to be a regular thing.

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It was

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like

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Here

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here she comes with her honey box.

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That is

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it.

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And everybody enjoyed, you know

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, they

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love

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the honey

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Well are you a cook

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also?

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Are you a chef?

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How did the cookbook evolve from all these years of beekeeping?

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I am not a chef.

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I am a curious cooker.

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I just

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I enjoyed playing with different recipes and taking the sugar out.

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and converting it to honey.

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I had to do

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had to learn how to

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try to get the pH

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down, add

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more

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soda.

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And then

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I learned that through baking

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you get

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of

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moisture

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bread or cake or whatever you're making, it just

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gives it a good flavor

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to me.

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But

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it is hard to always get that first

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experiment

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right.

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You may do it numerous times before you get it just right.

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I can't imagine, I think I understand what you're saying, that you must have made these recipes

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over and over and over again

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until they met your criteria.

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So you started with a basic recipe

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Mm-hmm.

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You didn't make these up from scratch.

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I mean you

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you basically had an idea of the

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particular product you were cooking and then you just perfected the recipe.

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Well

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exactly what happened was

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when

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our daughters were ten, twelve, we

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we had an eight

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inch binder

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that

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recipes

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that my mother

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had

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given me

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different people had given me

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I would save

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recipes

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about honey

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then

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and that went on for

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Our girls are in their forties

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now, so that's been a while.

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But that has become a prize

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possession

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because

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each girl says

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that

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's mine, you know.

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And then

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so Courtney, the one that designed

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Courtney Wyndham

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who designed this cookbook right here, she actually

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illustrated the binder book that's eight inches

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stick, she went through every category, she drew

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some

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fantastic thing and painted it.

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So

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it's kind of unique that they got involved in it

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Well ironically, my mother did that.

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It wasn't eight inches, it was hardly an inch and a half.

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And a grandkid asked for it early

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on, so it already had a home.

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But the grandkid made copies of it.

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So we all have it and it's just old-fashioned

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southern cooking, a pinch of this

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and a teaspoon of bacon

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fat, and

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some

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of the things you would never expect in those old recipes and you

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probably want to change that out now, but it was good old fashioned

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cooking that I remember.

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So it's a good thing that you've got those

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Well, I did add your requested recipe in this book, 'cause

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with Jim

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being

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from the South

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He

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likes fried okra and he just didn't really know how to do it.

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So I put the recipe in there

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and I put a sassy

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honey sauce

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put on top of his okra

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I do like fried okra, and I don't have it very often.

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In Ohio where I live, I'm off the subject.

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Okra

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's not really happy growing there, and there's one or two people who have it at the farmers

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market, and I have to get there at seven o'clock in the morning

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or

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sells

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out.

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So even though it's not very popular, it's popular enough that everybody buys

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it, it's a different project.

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I wanna tell the listeners that the book is absolutely beautiful.

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Courtney was your daughter. Courtney

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what was her name?

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Courtney Wyndham

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Wyndham

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has

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just designed an absolutely gorgeous book.

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So you could s

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use

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this

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as a cookbook, as a coffee

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table book, as an inspirational book.

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as a bit of artwork

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or

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the layout and the design and the quality of it.

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It sounds like I'm selling the book.

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I'm not.

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It's just not well known right now

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because the book has just come out

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and it's probably

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Not readily available, but the photography, what

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did you give some of these nice pictures here?

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Courtney actually does photography as well

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and we used a professional photographer

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From Louisiana, Hector Sanchez.

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From Louisiana.

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Well

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that is a professional that

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explains

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some of these high quality, high definitions

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photos that you've got here.

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So the visual layout is

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really nice.

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It's a nice visual layout and the pictures are great.

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You get an idea of the Hurst

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family and how they

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come together on this.

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You get a good idea of

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bees.

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And then

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You went into quite a bit of actual bee biology

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and the behavior.

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Are you a beekeeper

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yourself?

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Are you a bee biologist?

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Is that John's

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And behind the scenes?

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No, you're the expert on that.

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But I have

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always loved plants and I've observed what bees go to first.

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I did

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in the beginning

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help

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him a lot.

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We

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we enjoy doing that together

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and

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as life happens

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it

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things start taking over.

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And

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I was less involved getting into beehives when we first started.

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But I am

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just

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so

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curious

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about

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all of the things that go in a beehive.

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I've

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read Karl von

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Frisch

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's book.

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And then I love

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Honeybee

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Democracy

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all of that fascinates me.

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If I got into the hives more

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I would see it more, but John

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did show me bees dancing on the front board, which I'd

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find that so

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Really

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interesting that they can communicate that way.

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It is remarkably sophisticated.

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You mentioned my favorite fried okra, and I also like fried tomatoes and they're

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hard to get too

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but

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How did you choose out of eight inches of hundreds and hundreds of recipes?

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How did you select the ones that you were willing to test?

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Is it mainly.

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.

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.

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Southern recipes or is it just good recipes?

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It's just good recipes.

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It's not necessarily southern.

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I did send five to America

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's Test Kitchen

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just to see that I was on the right track

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I did

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have

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someone edit my recipes.

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She was a

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Southern

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living employee, but now she just does that.

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consulting.

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But

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she

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had

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just so many hands in it that got me started

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and you as well

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wrote

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the foreword

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because

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I was

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very appreciative of that 'cause

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you and John

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have a good relationship.

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I was honored to do it.

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Thank you for letting me do it.

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You've got some nice recipes here.

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Elegant chicken pot

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pie.

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Is there anything that someone like me could cook by myself?

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Simple to do, Asian lettuce wraps?

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With Oriental chicken filling?

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Do you like salmon?

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I

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literally eat anything.

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That is the easiest thing to do

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in that book.

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You

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get a good frick

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cut of salmon

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and put

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butter in your cast-iron skillet

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And

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I put a lot of herbs in there, I sort of melt it and then put the herbs in there

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and then I put the fillets

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in there.

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And

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if the

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the skin is still on I just let that cook

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and

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I'm not prone

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to eat that but

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we do have some puppies

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that

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Well, like that.

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So

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anyway, it

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you

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you just

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actually

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just keep it on like a medium

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and

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and

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let it cook maybe three, four minutes on each side

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and then I have a sauce that goes with that and then you just pour that on top of that

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while it's in the skillet.

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I mean

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it is so simple.

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That's what I do on days that we're so busy with all

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these

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weddings and

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life.

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So

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I can run by the seafood store

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Pick up some salmon

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and bingo.

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There's

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must

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there is dinner and a salad.

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It's a wholesome meal too.

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Yes it is.

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And

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so we have it once a week

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Okay.

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Yeah.

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They have a lot of other projects going on that we shouldn't go into for lack of time, but they

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They have a very full life all the time.

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How many recipes

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read the book?

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Do you remember?

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I think they're 96.

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Ninety-six tested recipes.

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And the book is two

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hundred and thirty-six high

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gloss pages with an index

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It's just a nice book, The Dancing Bees of Rockhurst Farm.

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If somebody wanted to get this book from you, how would they do it?

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Because right now it's not easy to get.

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Foxhound Bee Company

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is carrying them for me at present, so it can be bought through Foxhound Bee Company

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's

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website.

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All right, Foxhound

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Bee Company.

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They have a website

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and you can pick it up there.

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If you have an interest in it.

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And then we have

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retailers in Birmingham and

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just

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that

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carry the book.

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Well I hope you have nothing but good sales.

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It's really

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a nice book.

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But

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I know there's other recipe books out there, but that I don't know of any of this of

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this quality and I

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probably just offended someone who has recipe books out there.

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But this is nicely done.

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Nona, thank you for talking.

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Thank you for asking me.

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And thank you for doing such a great.

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Great job on this and giving

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and just having a nice book here.

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I'd love to share it with more.

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Listeners, thank you.

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That's enough.

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We'll try it again next week.

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I hope you enjoyed letting Nona talk and tell her beekeeping experiences and how she moves bees at night and

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some of the colorful things that happen.

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It's all in good fun.

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Bye-bye listeners.

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I'll see you next week.